Stories for humans are like water for fish

Stories for humans really are like water for fish. And from that thought, one of South Africa’s most profoundly important organisations was built. Today, over twenty years later, Heartlines uses the power of stories to change lives and build a nation. And in this episode, Garth Japhet and Zamabongo Mojalefa share the many ways in which Heartlines achieves that. Their work tells powerful stories and, by doing so, allows people to truly understand how to live their lives in the most meaningful way. And it enables them to find human connections with even their most ardent enemies. This episode is a telling reminder that to build a better world, we need to open ourselves up to the stories of those around us. If you are interested in learning more about Heartlines and the incredible work they do, please visit them at